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  • #179330

    alg2468
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    As of tonight, there have been some channel changes due to the spectrum allocation:

    WFXZ, ch. 24 Boston, (channel sharing with WGBH ch. 2) is no longer carrying Azteca TV and is now a Biz Tv affiliate.

    WBIN-TV ch. 50 Derry, NH, (channel sharing with WUNI-TV 66, Marlboro, MA) is not carrying Antenna TV, and is now carrying the Justice Network, previously on 66.5.

    And WYCN-TV, a low power Heroes & Icons TV station in Nashua, NH on ch. 13, that was bought by NBC Universal in October, has announced that effective January 16, 2018, it will move to and channel share with WGBX-TV 44 Boston, and become the NBC Boston affiliate, mapping to ch. 15. I have not heard yet about when WMFP-TV will stop carrying NBC Boston, or what will happen to WBTS-LP, the low power NBC Boston affiliate., as they may no longer be needed. Also when will WNEU will move to Needham is unknown.

    #179346

    Mike Fitzpatrick
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    Also when will WNEU will move to Needham is unknown.

    If/When they get the construction permit, they have until August 2nd, 2019 to build it. They are a Phase 4 station.
    #179351

    Channel99
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    The application to move WNEU to Needham specifies that it is for the location of the post-repack transmitter, assigned ch. 29.  Ch.29 is currently used by WUTF, and therefore WNEU cannot launch the new transmitter until WUTF moves to ch. 19 in the repack.  So WYCN, sharing on WGBX, will be needed until then.

    WMFP will probably stop carrying 60.5 / NBCBoston soon after WYCN moves in January – it depends on the contract they have.  They could put a slide on 60.5 telling viewers they have moved 15.1 and suggest re-scanning.

    #179358

    Joseph_Gallant

    Of course, there is a deadline for NBC Boston:

    Sunday, February 4th, 2018, the date of Super Bowl LII (which NBC will carry).

    And the way things are going, the New England Patriots may very well be the game, which will likely be the biggest viewing audience NBC Boston will have had since it’s launch almost a year ago.

    #179557

    alg2468
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    As of last night – December 31, 2017 – NBC Boston started to brand itself “NBC 10 Boston” and put its logo at the bottom right of the screen. And of course this has to annoy WJAR in Providence, which calls itself NBC 1o, and whose signals have a large overlap in coverage area. And ar radiodiscussions there are reports that some are having reception troubles with WGBX, on whose subchannel NBC Boston is planning to start telecasting this month.

    #179561

    Channel99
    Participant

    WGBX has a coverage area equal to that of WMFP, but it is possible the higher channel (43) has more issues in some areas than WMFP (18).  The use of ch 10 can only be related to cable, since they can’t possibly use it OTA.  WJAR covers most of the Boston market, so if anything, they may be steering OTA viewers to WJAR.

    #179570

    Bill Recto
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    As of last night – December 31, 2017 – NBC Boston started to brand itself “NBC 10 Boston” and put its logo at the bottom right of the screen. And of course this has to annoy WJAR in Providence, which calls itself NBC 1o, and whose signals have a large overlap in coverage area. And ar radiodiscussions there are reports that some are having reception troubles with WGBX, on whose subchannel NBC Boston is planning to start telecasting this month.

    What is there a New England version of Solano County, Ca? I remember back in 2002 KNTV the then Granite station/NBC ownership Transition there was NBC3 being heavily promoted in the San Francisco Area. What KNTV failed to realize was that Hearst already have KCRA3 the NBC affiliate in Sacramento already had the Channel 3 position for SOlano county residents/ Solano COunty is the commuter county fro Sacramento and San Francisco. And Solano is split by 2 TV Markets by Nielsen.

    #179575

    Joseph_Gallant

    For many people who watch over-the-air TV in the Boston area, WBTS promoting itself as “NBC 10 Boston” might mean that when someone tunes it in on a set hooked-up to an antenna, they will get NBC all right…..but with local news and syndicated programming from WJAR-10 Providence! Providence is about 40 miles southwest of Boston, and with a good enough digital TV antenna, over-the-air signals from the two markets overlap.

    NBC does promote KNSD-39 in San Diego as “NBC 7” (where it is on most San Diego-area cable systems), but San Diego is about 100 miles south of Los Angeles (the nearest city with a Channel 7, KABC-TV), and I would think that someone in San Diego would have to have a very good outdoor antenna aimed north to get any Los Angeles stations (such reception was likely easier in the analog TV era). So promoting “7” as KNSD’s channel number won’t lead to the kind of confusion some Boston viewers might face with WBTS and WJAR both calling themselves “NBC 10”.

    If WBTS’s eventual “mapped” over-the-air channel position is Channel 15, perhaps they should persuade cable operators to run it on cable channel 15 on their respective systems (with Comcast owning NBC, it will be easy to do with cable systems owned by that company), and perhaps brand it as “Channel 15”, or “NBC 15 Boston”, or “NBC Boston, Channel 15”.

    This would also end confusion with WJAR. It might be beneficial for both stations.

    But then again, there may be some cable and/or satellite systems where WBTS wouldn’t be on Channel 15 under this scenario, just as at present, some cable/satellite systems don’t run WBTS on Cable Channel 10. One such example is the municipally-owned cable system in Norwood, Massachusetts, where WBTS is seen on Cable Channel 15.

    #179579

    Eric Jon Magnuson
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    NBC does promote KNSD-39 in San Diego as “NBC 7” (where it is on most San Diego-area cable systems), but San Diego is about 100 miles south of Los Angeles (the nearest city with a Channel 7, KABC-TV), and I would think that someone in San Diego would have to have a very good outdoor antenna aimed north to get any Los Angeles stations (such reception was likely easier in the analog TV era). So promoting “7” as KNSD’s channel number won’t lead to the kind of confusion some Boston viewers might face with WBTS and WJAR both calling themselves “NBC 10”.

    For many years, the station was branded as “NBC 7/39”; it also had a long history of just using its (analog-era) channel number.  More recently, the current Fox affiliate (KSWB) started using “Fox 5” as its branding–despite the nearby presence of KTLA (which actually has the same ownership).  However, partly because of this, viewers in the San Diego and (more so) Palm Springs markets have long been used to branding based on cable channel or only call letters (e.g., for KUSI).  The same pretty much also applies to southwest Florida (i.e., Fort Myers/Naples, plus the southern part of the Tampa Bay DMA [around Sarasota/Bradenton]).

    However, like with the aforementioned KNTV’s branding snafu, there hasn’t been a similar history in (or near) Boston of similar branding practices among multiple major stations.  This current move might even be worse–as KNTV was able to rebrand itself fairly quickly as “NBC 11” (based on its analog-era channel number, which did have a good amount of history itself).  I really don’t think that Comcast’s leadership has learned anything from that–or even from when WBZ branded itself only by its calls.

     

    #179743

    alg2468
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    Does anyone know when WYDN (RF47) will shut down their transmitter? They are sharing with WPXG in Concord, NH (not the best arrangement, as the new signal will be tough to receive in Worcester, Boston, or Providence).  But the Daystar live stream is on their website.

    #179753

    Channel99
    Participant

    The date should be soon.  However, WPXG does not cover the cities of Boston, Worcester, or Providence – only the northern part of the Boston market:

    https://www.rabbitears.info/contour.php?appid=693569

    As part of their channel sharing application, they requested and received approval for a city of license change from Worcester to Lowell, with the reason that the new signal would no longer cover Worcester.  Probably they could not find a station with better coverage to share on, at least at a price they would pay, and will have to be satisfied with covering the area via cable must-carry.

     

    #179756

    … NBC Boston started to brand itself “NBC 10 Boston” and put its logo at the bottom right of the screen. And of course this has to annoy WJAR in Providence, which calls itself NBC 1o, and whose signals have a large overlap in coverage area.

    Let’s face facts and not get hung up on outdated thinking.

    NBC negotiated with TV providers in the sprawling Boston DMA to have them place WBTS on 10. The station is accommodating the many who use cable, satellite, or telco for TV. NBC is NOT pandering to a very few who use an antenna.

    Had WJAR whined and cried, NBC would have told Sinclair Broadcast Group to pound sand. WJAR does not have a claim to any Massachusetts audience except in Bristol County.

    #179834

    alg2468
    Participant

    It looks like NBC Boston will on WYCN starting tomorrow  – RF43 PSIP 15 – according to WYCN’s website:

    http://www.tv13nashua.com/

     

     

    #179850

    alg2468
    Participant

    As of this afternoon, WYCN-CD sharted broadcasting on WGBX-TV’s subchannel, and maps to PSIP 15.1 as WYCN-CD (and in full 1080p, not 720p as expected) as NBC Boston from WBTS-LP, and PSIP 15.2 is Cozi TV at 480p, something else I was not expecting. In addition, WBTS-LP is still showing up as PSIP 60.5 as NBC Boston.

    #179853

    Joseph_Gallant

    Isn’t Telemundo’s WNEU also going to be on a 15-point something subchannel??

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