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  • #180191

    colgate2004
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    FWIW, in addition to the OTA DTV antenna I installed on my roof in Boston two years ago, I’m going to be installing another such antenna on the roof of my lake place in Maine this coming summer.
    (And I’ve given instructions on doing so to a half dozen friends of mine interested in doing the same thing.)

    #180194

    Mike Fitzpatrick
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    There was no real room to negotiate with Comcast to get on channel 8. WLVI, owned by Ansin is on channel 8. Can you imagine the uproar if Comcast where to attempt to get Ansin to renegotiate a deal to move WLVI to 10? As it is Comcast is under a microscope for the common NBC ownership, which is still only running under temporary federal authority.

    And if you think over the air viewership is dead, go onto the Facebook page of WBZ-TV back to when the master antenna harness burned up two years ago. And look at the several hundred complaints that the station got being off the air. People are switching back to over the air from cable. The over the air viewership in the US has risen in almost all markets. It has in Boston. 5 minutes of research will give you this information.

    #180694

    Paul Anderson
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    You should have complained back then. Instead you wait until NBC prepares to televise a Super Bowl and a Winter Olympics. Such is the mindset of a sore loser. Then there are the cord-cutters – who may never heard of using an antenna until recently. Cord-cutters are streaming the Super Bowl via Hulu, NBCsports.com, or similar providers. “Using an antenna” is obsolete.

    WHO should have complained?  I don’t think it matters to most people what cable channel a station is.  People got used to watching 25, 38, 44, 56, and 68 on cable channel numbers having nothing to do with their broadcast TV channel.  I watch NBC Boston on channel 777, WBZ on 783, WSBK on 786, and so on.  And when NBC Boston started, they weren’t using NBC 10 as their moniker.  So there was nothing to complain about at that time.

    And it’s not true that people are using antennas to watch broadcast TV.  There are lots of cord-cutters who are doing that.  After all, why bother with streaming something over multiple devices to get to your TV when you can just attach an antenna?

    #180695

    alg2468
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    Using an antenna to watch TV is not obsolete; it’s smart, saves a lot of money, and installing an antenna for some is a like a a hobby that you did yourself and can take pride in. There are more “cord cutters” than you would believe, and it is a threat to the cable and satellite companies. And from the looks at the changes resulting from the spectrum sales and the upcoming ATSC3.0 standard, some channels (as seen on the rec.com website) will be actually increasing transmitter power and height, become non-directional, and centralize their transmitters to provide better reception.

    #180696

    Channel99
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    “People are switching back to over the air from cable. The over the air viewership in the US has risen in almost all markets. It has in Boston.”

    The typical basic survey doesn’t fully account for over the air viewing.  “Do you watch TV via cable/satellite, or over-the-air?”  Most folks who have it, answer cable/satellite, since there is rarely an option to answer “both” and explain.  That includes those who use the antenna on a cable/satellite connected set for the many additional subchannels, stations in neighboring markets, low power stations, or just for better video quality.  It also includes those with several TV’s, not all connected to cable – kitchen TV’s, for example.

    #180701

    alg2468
    Participant

    Excellent points, channel 99, and you are always in high definition too.

    #181256

    alg2468
    Participant

    As of this afternoon, WDPX-TV, which was broadcasting from Barnstable. MA, is now channel sharing with its parent station WBPX-TV in Boston.  On 58-1 is now IonLIfe, which was the same thing WZPX-TV 69 did when it bought the spectrum of WLWC-TV 28.

    #181257

    Channel99
    Participant

    “As of this afternoon, WDPX-TV, which was broadcasting from Barnstable. MA, is now channel sharing with its parent station WBPX-TV in Boston.  On 58-1 is now IonLIfe, which was the same thing WZPX-TV 69 did when it bought the spectrum of WLWC-TV 28.”

    And now the low power station WCEA-LD, which broadcasts from the Hancock Tower, will have to change their virtual channel, since they currently use 58-1 thru 58-6.

    #181443

    Channel99
    Participant

    The FCC today granted the application by Comcast / NBC to move the WNEU transmitter site (post-repack) to the “CBS” tower in Needham.

    #181449

    Uncle Kaimbridge
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    So, does that mean WBTS-LD:8 and WYCN-CD:15 will be redundant and—when all of the dust settles—all “NBC Boston” will be on is the original WNEU:60 on RF-29?

    Maybe that is why they havenʼt turned off WMFP:60.5-29 yet?

    Or, perhaps, they plan to keep WYCN-CD:15 as is, and turn off WNEU:60.2 and .4 (Retro)?

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    #181458

    Channel99
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    “So, does that mean WBTS-LD:8 and WYCN-CD:15 will be redundant and—when all of the dust settles—all “NBC Boston” will be on is the original WNEU:60 on RF-29?

    Maybe that is why they havenʼt turned off WMFP:60.5-29 yet?

    Or, perhaps, they plan to keep WYCN-CD:15 as is, and turn off WNEU:60.2 and .4 (Retro)?”

    They can’t use ch 8 full power due to the overlap with ch 8 Portland, so using 15.1 for NBC/Boston and 15.2 for Cozi is the best choice to keep a fairly low number.  NBC 15 would have been a better choice than 10 for their advertising.  They could differentiate the Spanish channels by keeping Telemundo and TeleXitos on 60.1 and 60.2.

    Having WMFP 60.5 shut down during the Super Bowl / Olympics coverages would have not been good – but it could happen any time now.

     

    #181471

    Joseph_Gallant

    Chabnnel 99 noted:

    They (WBTS/”NBC Boston”) can’t use ch 8 full power due to the overlap with ch 8 Portland, so using 15.1 for NBC/Boston and 15.2 for Cozi is the best choice to keep a fairly low number.

    WBTS is on RF Channel 46, “mapped” Channel 8. WMTW in Portland, while also on “mapped” Channel 8 is on RF Channel 8.

    There could be some overlap between the mapped Channel 8’s in northeastern Massachusetts and southeastern New Hampshire were a full-powered WBTS to be on “mapped” Channel 8.

    Maybe an engineering type can “set the record straight” on this.

    #181478

    Channel99
    Participant

    This has been discussed elsewhere and is covered in more than one of the FCC docs for the various NBC/Boston applications.  WBTS-LD is able to use virtual ch 8, because of the limited coverage area it has as low power station.  But there is enough overlap with Portland stations in northeastern Mass. / southeast New Hampshire, that a full power station transmitting from Needham is not allowed to use the same virtual numbers already in use in Portland.  For example, NBC / Boston could not use 8-x on WMFP, and had to use 60-5.  The same problem came up with the move of WYCN-CD from NH to sharing with WGBX in Needham.  It could no longer use ch 13 which it had used as a low power, and therefore changed to the unused ch 15.

    Here’s the doc that explained that ch 8 could not be used on WMFP due to the Portland overlap:

    https://enterpriseefiling.fcc.gov/dataentry/api/download/attachment/25076f9158ed3e69015907f2c0cb0169

    #181793

    Nathan Obral
    Participant

    “So, does that mean WBTS-LD:8 and WYCN-CD:15 will be redundant and—when all of the dust settles—all “NBC Boston” will be on is the original WNEU:60 on RF-29?

    Maybe that is why they havenʼt turned off WMFP:60.5-29 yet?

    Or, perhaps, they plan to keep WYCN-CD:15 as is, and turn off WNEU:60.2 and .4 (Retro)?”

    They can’t use ch 8 full power due to the overlap with ch 8 Portland, so using 15.1 for NBC/Boston and 15.2 for Cozi is the best choice to keep a fairly low number. NBC 15 would have been a better choice than 10 for their advertising. They could differentiate the Spanish channels by keeping Telemundo and TeleXitos on 60.1 and 60.2.

    Having WMFP 60.5 shut down during the Super Bowl / Olympics coverages would have not been good – but it could happen any time now.

    As soon as WNEU moves to the Needham tower farm, both WMFP 60.5 and WBTS can be shut down.

    WYCN’s purpose as a class A piggybacking on a full-power signal already made WBTS unnecessary for NBC’s O&O purposes, but the funny thing is, WBTS is technically serving its’ original intent as an in-market translator for WNEU.

    60.5 may have been a long-term lease, but it’s existence is harmless, albeit superflous.

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    #181795

    Channel99
    Participant

    “As soon as WNEU moves to the Needham tower farm, both WMFP 60.5 and WBTS can be shut down.

    WYCN’s purpose as a class A piggybacking on a full-power signal already made WBTS unnecessary for NBC’s O&O purposes, but the funny thing is, WBTS is technically serving its’ original intent as an in-market translator for WNEU.

    60.5 may have been a long-term lease, but it’s existence is harmless, albeit superflous.”

     

    The WNEU application to move to Needham is for their post repack channel 29, which can’t happen until WUTF moves from 29 to 19 when the repack hits the Boston market in mid-2019.

    WMFP, which carries ch 60.5, must shut down before the end of April, 2018.  WMFP will begin sharing with WWDP at that time, but that won’t include 60.5.  Therefore 60.5 has a month left, at most.  Viewers dependent on 60.5 now, will be have to use WYCN 15.1 (on WGBX) beginning in April.

     

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