Is This The End For WMEX-1510??

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  • #182468

    raccoonradio
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    https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101781687&formid=349&fac_num=202403

    Perry applying for 101.1 translator in Weymouth for WMEX 1510. Technical part prepared by Dennis Jackson…owner of WMEX-LP in NH

    #182469

    raccoonradio
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    Hearing rumor 1510, perhaps w WMEX calls, gearing up to return to air before deadline, maybe w oldies block on weekends..and they did file for that FM translator.

    Btw Gary James owns WMEX-LP but Jackson and James co owned the full power WMEX-FM that had been in NH

    #182484

    Channel99
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    Here is something interesting on the FCC site.  It’s a PDF of the microfiche copies of the original FCC paper forms from the licensing of WMEX on 1500 KHz in 1933 up until 1981:

    http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getimportletter_exh.cgi?import_letter_id=61237

    Includes the frequency changes to 1470 and 1510, power increases and site moves – and FCC permission granted to feed NHL hockey to Canadian stations CBL, CBM, and others, etc.

     

    #182485

    raccoonradio
    Participant

    Btw, Scott Fybush responded to my Facebook post about this.He said it wasn’t surprising that they were getting back on but this is just a procedure to keep it going…a weak signal from South Shore that will avoid deletion and in 6 months we could be going through this again.

    A revived WMEX, like a revived KQV I would say, would put out a directional, weak signal. The call letters, if Perry gets permission, will please some oldtimers who remember the glory days but may not mean much to most people.Daly XXL did bring them back, though.He will be able to put the FM translator on if a CP is granted and has a 3 year window to build it out.That too is a directional signal and will have to null to the NW and SW and in fact will have to avoid the 101.1 FM translator he wants for the 1460 in Brockton.

    #182532

    mrradioguy
    Member

    Btw Gary James owns WMEX-LP but Jackson and James co owned the full power WMEX-FM that had been in NH

    Gary James never owned a piece of the 106.5 facility when it was WMEX, it was all Dennis Jackson, James just programmed it….
    #182542

    MickeyD
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    Btw, Scott Fybush responded to my Facebook post about this.He said it wasn’t surprising that they were getting back on but this is just a procedure to keep it going…a weak signal from South Shore that will avoid deletion and in 6 months we could be going through this again. A revived WMEX, like a revived KQV I would say, would put out a directional, weak signal. The call letters, if Perry gets permission, will please some oldtimers who remember the glory days but may not mean much to most people.Daly XXL did bring them back, though.He will be able to put the FM translator on if a CP is granted and has a 3 year window to build it out.That too is a directional signal and will have to null to the NW and SW and in fact will have to avoid the 101.1 FM translator he wants for the 1460 in Brockton.

    Today you don’t have to hold the WMEX call letters just do a tribute to WMEX on weekends. Doesn’t matter what the call sign is
    #182645

    Channel99
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    Ed Perry applied today to the FCC for special temporary authority for WMEX, or whatever the call letters will be, to broadcast daytime only, with 1000 watts, from the WBIX antenna:

    https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101785220&formid=911&fac_num=12789

    See notes at the bottom of the app.

     

     

    • This reply was modified 12 months ago by  Channel99.
    #182647

    radioperson
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    Aha.  The WBIX 1260 site is just down the street from the long running WMEX site on Squantum Road, where they operated during their classic days.  They had to move from the original site for a number of reasons, not the least of which was a giant building was built right near the towers diminishing their coverage area.  I do remember that when WMEX broadcast with 50KW day (only) — still 5KW at night — from the site before they put the building up, the day signal was actually quite good from that location (water shot to Boston, the North Shore and The Cape).  Good all the way down the south shore, too.  I wonder if this is just a placeholder until Ed can fire up 50KW day/night from that site.

    #182657

    1960sdj
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    Aha. The WBIX 1260 site is just down the street from the long running WMEX site on Squantum Road, where they operated during their classic days. They had to move from the original site for a number of reasons, not the least of which was a giant building was built right near the towers diminishing their coverage area. I do remember that when WMEX broadcast with 50KW day (only) — still 5KW at night — from the site before they put the building up, the day signal was actually quite good from that location (water shot to Boston, the North Shore and The Cape). Good all the way down the south shore, too. I wonder if this is just a placeholder until Ed can fire up 50KW day/night from that site.

    I grew up in Newton, west of Boston, and even with 50kW in the daytime, the WMEX signal from Quincy was not very good in the west suburbs due to the directional pattern, really only a slight daytime improvement there from the previous 5kW full-time. It was still largely a coastal signal.

    Somehow I doubt Ed would have the ongoing expense of running 50 kW AM (high electric bill). I’d guess that an increase to 5 KW (practically mimicking the original 1510 WMEX signal from that location) would be more likely.

    Also, though 1510 ran 50 kW at night from the Waltham site, I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable, or at least very impractical. A powerful signal on 1510 from up here has to be radically directionally nulled at night to protect WLAC Nashville and several other co-channel and adjacent channel allocations.

    The only direction that 1510 can beam 50 kW from here at night is to the east. A little northeast and southeast along the coasts, but mainly east into the ocean. From Waltham, at least the eastbound nighttime signal covered over Boston, Cambridge, and the immediate metro Boston area suburbs within Route 128 and the Mystic Valley area before going out to sea. From Quincy, I’d think 50 kW at night would have to be beamed to go right out to sea! It would be a great coastal signal, but it would have to be so directional that I don’t think much could be beamed into the inland suburbs at all. I’d guess you could probably do just as well with 5 kW along the coasts from that site at night and a slightly less directional signal than with 50 kW, unless you’re just aiming to fry a lot of fish between here and England where British DX’ers would be tuning in.
    #182658

    OldNewsGuy
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    **the WMEX signal from Quincy was not very good in the west suburbs due to the directional pattern,…*

    The “signal to the western suburbs” problem seems to be the case for every AM station in Boston except for WBZ.

    Every AM station seems to be protecting a station on the same frequency elsewhere in the country (some worse than others).

    In designing these stations antenna patters, seems the designers opted for more North/South coverage to sompensate for the null to the West.

    (WBZ has one null…that’s to the East!)

    People have commented on some of the bad signals (“we have dead haddock”), but the worst case of this is probably WUNR 1600AM….where the siganl goes straight out to sea.

    https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/patg?id=WUNR-AM&h=D

    • This reply was modified 12 months ago by  OldNewsGuy.
    #182671

    1960sdj
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    **the WMEX signal from Quincy was not very good in the west suburbs due to the directional pattern,…*

    The “signal to the western suburbs” problem seems to be the case for every AM station in Boston except for WBZ.

    Every AM station seems to be protecting a station on the same frequency elsewhere in the country (some worse than others).

    In designing these stations antenna patters, seems the designers opted for more North/South coverage to sompensate for the null to the West.

    (WBZ has one null…that’s to the East!)

    People have commented on some of the bad signals (“we have dead haddock”), but the worst case of this is probably WUNR 1600AM….where the siganl goes straight out to sea.

    https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/patg?id=WUNR-AM&h=D

    The WMEX signal from Quincy, even with 50 kW, was not very good even in the immediate western suburbs within Route 128, such as Newton. Other 50 kW Boston AM’s that have transmitters located west of Boston such as WRKO, WEEI and WXKS-AM at least get to cover west suburbs within or along Route 128 on their signals way to Boston such as Newton, Needham, Waltham, Arlington, etc… due to the proximity of their transmitters, but WMEX from Quincy couldn’t even do that very well with 50 kW. However, outside of Route 128, all Boston AM patterns fade out at night except WBZ.

    WUNR, with its transmitter in Newton (Oak Hill) near the W. Roxbury line, at least puts a very good signal into Boston’s largely ethnic neighborhoods where there are audiences for its international programming, on its way toward the Atlantic. It’s not a bad transmitter location for the format.

    #182672

    OldNewsGuy
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    https://radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/patg?id=WUNR-AM&h=D

    It’s not a bad transmitter location for the format.

    Or…it’s a good format for the transmitter location! LOL!

    • This reply was modified 12 months ago by  OldNewsGuy.
    #182675

    raccoonradio
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    >> I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable

    I’m hearing their aim is 10 kW (full time?).They will also perhaps get that FM translator but it will be very limited with nulls to NW and SW etc

    #182676

    sfybush
    Member

    There’s no “perhaps” about it. The translator application is publicly available, and you can look at the actual data just the same way I can, rather than filling the boards with meaningless speculation.

    Here are the facts: the translator will be 250 watts, 41 meters above ground level, from a tower on Wharf St. in Weymouth. It will indeed be directional, but only mildly, with a notch to the south-southwest that will protect the 101.1 translator for WATD(AM), and a shallower minimum to the northwest protecting WGIR-FM and, coincidentally, avoiding wasting RF over the harbor. It will put 60 dBu over most of Quincy and Braintree, all of Weymouth and Hingham and most of Hull.

    The red contour here shows what this signal will look like: https://fccdata.org/?facid=202403

    There’s really no “if” about whether this translator will materialize. Ed (and Dennis) have followed the FCC’s process to the letter. Their application will be granted within the next few weeks (maybe even sooner, if the Prometheus translator objection is swept away promptly.

    Now we move from fact into (well-informed) speculation:

    In 2018, there’s little value to a daytime-only AM signal, and huge expense involved in building up a higher-powered full-time AM signal. Ed’s a good businessman, but he doesn’t have unlimited resources. He spent $125,000 on the WMEX license, plus, presumably, legal costs that will be involved in defending against the transmitter site lawsuit. Is there a business case that would justify dropping another $100,000 on a high-powered AM installation that could do 10 kW or more by day? Or half a million or more (maybe much more) on the new directional installation that would be needed to get any significant night power?

    I can’t see Ed doing that. What makes more sense, I think, is that 1510 basically ends up being a minimal signal – not much more than the kilowatt daytimer in the STA – just enough to serve as a primary for the translator. And I don’t think it’s coincidental that the WATD(AM) translator is also on 101.1.

    I think Ed’s game here is going to be to simulcast the 101.1 translators. I think the AMs are there only because they’re needed as nominal primary signals. And if I were a betting man, I’d make a wager that both of those 101.1 translators will be used to extend the reach of WATD-FM’s programming to the west and north of its current core signal. I may not be as smart a broadcaster as Ed, but that’s the move that would make the most business sense to me if they were my stations.

    • This reply was modified 11 months, 4 weeks ago by  sfybush.
    #182679

    1960sdj
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    >> I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable I’m hearing their aim is 10 kW (full time?).They will also perhaps get that FM translator but it will be very limited with nulls to NW and SW etc

    I heard that the plan for 1510 is 10 kW day, 100 watts night.
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