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  • #182680

    radioperson
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    >> I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable I’m hearing their aim is 10 kW (full time?).They will also perhaps get that FM translator but it will be very limited with nulls to NW and SW etc

    I heard that the plan for 1510 is 10 kW day, 100 watts night.
    10KW day and 100 watts night?  Is this so it can be non-directional (saving expense)?
    Would it still be licensed to Boston?
    100 watts night non-D from that site would probably just about reach downtown Boston.  WLAC (1510 Nashville) still notches their signal toward Boston.  See WJDA night signal with 72 watts from a close transmitter site.
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    #182684

    nifty850
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    <<<I think Ed’s game here is going to be to simulcast the 101.1 translators. I think the AMs are there only because they’re needed as nominal primary signals. And if I were a betting man, I’d make a wager that both of those 101.1 translators will be used to extend the reach of WATD-FM’s programming to the west and north of its current core signal. I may not be as smart a broadcaster as Ed, but that’s the move that would make the most business sense to me if they were my stations.>>>>>

    I think your speculation on Ed’s end game is 110% spot on! WATD is Ed’s bread & butter and his decades long goal has been to make it a regional news & information powerhouse. He’s built an outstanding news product that’s won as many or more awards as any station in N.E…..BUT the 95.9 FM signal has real limitations even on the South Shore & ESPECIALLY in the towns you mentioned. This looks like a smart way to really extend WATDs reach and quality signal into several higher income & large population towns.

    Heres my own speculation…JUST a hunch. Ed is one of the smartest engineers in the country—he’s pretty much built a couple stations literally from the ground up. No one knows the process of identifying & potentially getting available frequencies better than Ed.

    BUT Ed’s HEART is in news & information. He’s poured his soul into WATD & was/is an on the scene WATD reporter for decades. He takes total pride in the news product. Believe it or not, he actually thought/ still thinks he competes with WBZ. They both do local news. They both win tons of awards doing so.  Ed gets no greater joy from anything in life than winning more awards than WBZ & beating them badly on big stories…

    Soooo..methinks Ed smelled blood when bankrupt IHeart bought WBZ….that there was an OPENING here to literally be the SE Mass number 1 source for news.  This whole process started coincidentally right after the IHeart news.   While BZ goes into bean counting mode—we’ve already seen substantial cuts involving veteran names— Ed I believe is in expansion mode.  Ed is getting up there in age and I believe he’s looking at legacy.  There is no smarter engineer on the planet…but Ed’s big LOVE is the news product.  I think this move gives Ed literally more “power” and reach extending his potential audience.  He wants WATD to be the new WBZ.

     

     

    #182687

    1960sdj
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    >> I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable I’m hearing their aim is 10 kW (full time?).They will also perhaps get that FM translator but it will be very limited with nulls to NW and SW etc

    I heard that the plan for 1510 is 10 kW day, 100 watts night.
    10KW day and 100 watts night? Is this so it can be non-directional (saving expense)?
    Would it still be licensed to Boston?
    100 watts night non-D from that site would probably just about reach downtown Boston. WLAC (1510 Nashville) still notches their signal toward Boston. See WJDA night signal with 72 watts from a close transmitter site.
    1510 with 100 watts at night may not do as well as WJDA with 72 watts at night due to the very strong first adjacent nighttime skywaves from 50 kW WFED 1500 Washington, DC and WWKB 1520 Buffalo, NY. Those make 1510 a very noisy frequency at night and may squeeze out the 100 watt 1510 from both sides in downtown Boston. WJDA doesn’t have such strong adjacent stations at night. 1290 and 1310 are frequencies with 5 kW stations that don’t make much impact here at night.
    #182690

    OldNewsGuy
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    Soooo..methinks Ed smelled blood when bankrupt IHeart bought WBZ….that there was an OPENING here to literally be the SE Mass number 1 source for news.  This whole process started coincidentally right after the IHeart news.   While BZ goes into bean counting mode—we’ve already seen substantial cuts involving veteran names— Ed I believe is in expansion mode.

    C’mon, I think that’s stretching’ things a bit! 😉

    Althought I agree with all the nice things you said about ed!

    #182695

    radioperson
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    >> I’d guess that 50 kW at night from Quincy may not be doable I’m hearing their aim is 10 kW (full time?).They will also perhaps get that FM translator but it will be very limited with nulls to NW and SW etc

    I heard that the plan for 1510 is 10 kW day, 100 watts night.
    10KW day and 100 watts night? Is this so it can be non-directional (saving expense)?
    Would it still be licensed to Boston?
    100 watts night non-D from that site would probably just about reach downtown Boston. WLAC (1510 Nashville) still notches their signal toward Boston. See WJDA night signal with 72 watts from a close transmitter site.
    1510 with 100 watts at night may not do as well as WJDA with 72 watts at night due to the very strong first adjacent nighttime skywaves from 50 kW WFED 1500 Washington, DC and WWKB 1520 Buffalo, NY. Those make 1510 a very noisy frequency at night and may squeeze out the 100 watt 1510 from both sides in downtown Boston. WJDA doesn’t have such strong adjacent stations at night. 1290 and 1310 are frequencies with 5 kW stations that don’t make much impact here at night.
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    Yes, good point.  1500 and 1520 always gave WMEX trouble in their weaker signal areas at night.  Without WNLC (New London) in the way anymore, I can see 10KW non-directional daytime from that site (which should do reasonably well).  But I can’t believe that the night signal can only get 100 watts, though (unless this is a placeholder until a nighttime directional system can be set up).   Even if the night signal is non-directional permanently from one tower, I don’t think that 250,  500 watts or even maybe 1KW non-directional would impact WLAC in Nashville or even the little New Jersey station on 1510 at night.   Not sure.  Even if Ed gets 5KW or even 10KW directional at night (pretty much mimicking the old WMEX coastal signal), that’s the market that he is after anyway, I presume.
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    #182739

    raccoonradio
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    Not sure how accurate but Dennis DeNapoli posted on Facebook that Ed asked FCC to extend deadline to get back on, with that 1 kW daytime(I would think they still need to at least briefly show up on air to extend it, first) and post in same thread by Joe McMillan said Ed told him he wants to put the Brockton station back on first then get ‘MEX on in the fall…?

    • This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by  raccoonradio.
    #182748

    mrradioguy
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    Not sure how accurate but Dennis DeNapoli posted on Facebook that Ed asked FCC to extend deadline to get back on, with that 1 kW daytime(I would think they still need to at least briefly show up on air to extend it, first) and post in same thread by Joe McMillan said Ed told him he wants to put the Brockton station back on first then get ‘MEX on in the fall…?

    All Ed did was apply for an STA: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101785220&formid=911&fac_num=12789
    July 1st is July 1st. Back on the air or else. The 1kw day is just to get it legally back on, sans STA then he can figure out what the engineering is going to look like (tower site, power, etc) once the clock is reset
    #182772

    cpf2015
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    On a related note, the Waltham towers previously used by WMEX are gone.  I think they were there last week, but I definitely noticed something missing tonight.  Drove over to look and saw holes in the parking lot where the structures once stood.  Building and some equipment trailers are still present.

    #182795

    Channel99
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    #182879

    Channel99
    Participant

    The latest app for WMEX:

    https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101783874&formid=301&fac_num=12789

    Effectively a daytimer.   Non-directional – 10 KW days, 2 KW critical hours, 100 watts nighttime.

     

     

    #182897

    radioperson
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    The latest app for WMEX: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101783874&formid=301&fac_num=12789 Effectively a daytimer. Non-directional – 10 KW days, 2 KW critical hours, 100 watts nighttime.

    Most likely the night power is just a placeholder until a nighttime directional setup can be built.  10KW non-D day appears to be the permanent day setup, since WNLC New London, CT is now gone.  10KW from the marshy 1260 site should do just fine…..probably better than the 50KW tight directional day pattern from Waltham.
    #182898

    Channel99
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    Most likely the night power is just a placeholder until a nighttime directional setup can be built.  10KW non-D day appears to be the permanent day setup, since WNLC New London, CT is now gone.  10KW from the marshy 1260 site should do just fine…..probably better than the 50KW tight directional day pattern from Waltham.”

    Ed may not want to spend the money for more towers and there may be no room for them without purchasing another location.  The old patterns had such a heavy null to the southwest nights and critical hours, that the power in that direction was probably no more than the upcoming 100 watts non-directional.  It took 4 towers to do that with 50 KW.  Maybe 3 or even 2 could do it if the night power was much lower, but it still would be pointing mainly east – not getting a lot in return for the cost.

     

    #182917

    radioperson
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    Most likely the night power is just a placeholder until a nighttime directional setup can be built. 10KW non-D day appears to be the permanent day setup, since WNLC New London, CT is now gone. 10KW from the marshy 1260 site should do just fine…..probably better than the 50KW tight directional day pattern from Waltham.” Ed may not want to spend the money for more towers and there may be no room for them without purchasing another location. The old patterns had such a heavy null to the southwest nights and critical hours, that the power in that direction was probably no more than the upcoming 100 watts non-directional. It took 4 towers to do that with 50 KW. Maybe 3 or even 2 could do it if the night power was much lower, but it still would be pointing mainly east – not getting a lot in return for the cost.

    Yes, true.  WMEX night pattern would not get SW, that’s a given.  But Ed may want to have the night signal shoot down to the South Shore and possibly some of the Cape at night with 5 or 10KW directional E/SE.   This seems feasible with the protections required on 1510.  Whether or not this pattern can be achieved with the current 3-tower WBIX setup is unknown, and yes–the construction of an additional tower (if necessary for the night pattern) may not be economically practical.  They may have some room at the site, though, looking at the satellite image.
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    #182946

    Channel99
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    “Yes, true.  WMEX night pattern would not get SW, that’s a given.  But Ed may want to have the night signal shoot down to the South Shore and possibly some of the Cape at night with 5 or 10KW directional E/SE.   This seems feasible with the protections required on 1510.  Whether or not this pattern can be achieved with the current 3-tower WBIX setup is unknown, and yes–the construction of an additional tower (if necessary for the night pattern) may not be economically practical.  They may have some room at the site, though, looking at the satellite image.”

    He is stuck with 100 watts at night without more towers.  The old WMEX 50 kw patterns are still on Recnet (fccdata.org), along with new license info:

    https://fccdata.org/?facid=12789

    Also Ed today filed for an extension for the getting WATD AM back on the air:

    https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101787366&formid=910&fac_num=19631

     

     

     

    #182956

    radioperson
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    “Yes, true. WMEX night pattern would not get SW, that’s a given. But Ed may want to have the night signal shoot down to the South Shore and possibly some of the Cape at night with 5 or 10KW directional E/SE. This seems feasible with the protections required on 1510. Whether or not this pattern can be achieved with the current 3-tower WBIX setup is unknown, and yes–the construction of an additional tower (if necessary for the night pattern) may not be economically practical. They may have some room at the site, though, looking at the satellite image.” He is stuck with 100 watts at night without more towers. The old WMEX 50 kw patterns are still on Recnet (fccdata.org), along with new license info: https://fccdata.org/?facid=12789 Also Ed today filed for an extension for the getting WATD AM back on the air: https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/cdbsmenu.hts?context=25&appn=101787366&formid=910&fac_num=19631

    If in fact that they do need another tower or two for the WMEX nightime directional, there appears to be enough room at the site.  Whether or not Ed feels that it is worth the cost, is another thing.
    The WBIX night pattern is very similar to what a WMEX night pattern would look like (with similar protections), but I don’t know enough engineering to know if diplexing a second station with a similar pattern would require an additional tower(s).  The FCC site has yet to post the new, proposed coverage area for day/critical/night, but I doubt that 100 watts on 1510 at night would get them more than 10 miles or so.
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