
I taught myself a lot of radio-programming basics, and the vocabulary that went with them, reading the trade publications before I began working for one myself. It wasn’t until I came to Radio & Records, however, that Joel Denver taught me the term “crush and roll.” I think I must have already picked up on how most jocks let the first note of each new song intro establish before coming in a millisecond later, but I was proud of having a name for it.
“Crush and roll” was a radio programming basic, although sometimes the terminology was slightly different. (Other jocks variously learned it as “crunch,” “crash,” or “punch and roll”). If you did something else formatically, it might have been a deliberate choice (consulting legend Mike Joseph’s jocks usually backsold, did their break, and jingled into the next song or spot break), but it might have been a disregard for basic housekeeping.
The adamance with which radio programmers refused to compromise their “forward momentum” was infuriating to the music industry, especially when it meant not stopping to backsell new songs. The animosity manifested in the “if you play it, say it” campaign 35 years ago reflected bad radio/record vibes that are likely still refracted through the labels’ overall indifference to radio today.
In the voice-tracking era, you don’t consistently encounter “crush and roll,” even among different jocks at the same station. One voice-tracked break might be perfectly inserted after that first note. Or it might come slightly ahead of that first note. Or the jock might stop the music altogether to tell you about what those doctors in Norway have discovered, even if that break would fit just over the unused intro that follows.
I’m aware that nothing says “old guy who won’t let go” more than writing about a lack of formatic precision in today’s radio, especially during moments fraught in so many other ways. “The old rules are just that — old. I voice-track and do both as the situation suggests,” says veteran PD and station owner Rick Peters. There are also those people who can’t understand why we would want to talk over intros when listeners say they never liked it.
But I made a stray comment about “crush and roll” in Facebook last week. It turned out that there were a hundred responses from radio people willing to debate whether the current laxity is a function of “the talent tracking incorrectly, or just being lazy,” as Tom Lawler contends, or inflexible radio automation and playout systems. “It really depends on the system and setup,” says Scott Evans, who voice-tracks using three different software programs. Only one, Evans says, allows him to place the break exactly as he wants.
The discussion prompted a number of related issues, including a lack of call letters, another onetime sign of sloppy work. Danny Kingsbury noted how many voice-tracks resulted in jocks being “buried under the music.” (I hear distorted ones as well.) Erich Bachman points out the difficulty of trying to do much over :05 intros or songs that fade in without a distinctive first note, such as Ariana Grande’s “We Can’t Be Friends.”
Often, Lawler says, voice-tracking issues are because of choices that stations made, albeit unwittingly. Eventually, in the thread, engineers and vendors for playout systems began chiming in with troubleshooting suggestions. “Start the outro of the last song in the player, start recording but say nothing, segue to the next song and then start talking,” says Michael Erickson. “Stations with good processing won’t hear the dip in levels.”
In today’s already disheartening business, losing control over the product owing to logistics is “just another example of death by a thousand cuts,” as Westwood One’s John Summer puts it. The examples may seem picky, but random radio is checked-out radio. Responding to the music, in large or small ways, is one way to be in the moment with the listener. Random content, randomly inserted, often belies that the voice-tracker isn’t listening to the music (or even aware of what is being played, as reader Don Beno notes).
Lackluster pacing saps our on-air energy, especially if we’re promising to make listeners feel good. We also haven’t replaced “crush and roll” with something better. Voice-trackers freed from the tyranny of formatics aren’t bonding with their audiences like never before in a way that has led to increased listening. With less structure, the net result is sometimes saying less at greater length.
Because if we won’t pay attention, why should listeners? As with all issues of formatic precision — call letters, what’s placed at :00, “hitting the post” — what might seem like broadcaster self-indulgence is still “a vital part of our art because of its contribution to the finished product,” says Ed Rodriguez. “[It’s true] that the listener had no idea why they loved the sound of their favorite station, just that they did.”




















On one station in my market, the voice tracker from out of state 1) frequently does breaks without the calls and 2) frequently bridges two songs with a rap over the next intro that is buried and undecipherable. This has been going on more than two years. I can only conclude that management isn’t listening or doesn’t care, and the jock isn’t listening on the stream to self-critique. Pathetic.
This is just another symptom of how — and not just in radio, but also in other media — the “good enough” is the real enemy of the good. Guys like Ron Jacobs and Buzz Bennett must be gyrating in their graves with every break.
When I voice track anything, I always segue the audio and adjust levels at very minimum. Sometimes we’re victims of our automation programs and the people who program and admin them. Wide Orbit won’t or can’t (not sure which) duck audio. Nothing worse than a screamingly loud Jason Aldean guitar intro burying a recorded jock break.
Riggs, WO can duck audio. I have mine set at 20%. Engineering should be able to figure that out of call WO support. Good luck 😁
Todd: with PPM, young PD’s really don’t care if you say the calls anymore. They don’t.
True, but our market is not PPM.
I’ve wondered since people are all in on podcasts (no beds, no ramps), if chr should consider adopting the rock radio approach of talking dry and not worrying about song talk ups.
If broadcasters want to get away from talking over the music as an aesthetic choice, I understand. It’s not a decision that ought to be made because technology is inflexible or voice-trackers are inconsistent, though. And it’s not really a decision if two different voice-trackers are inserting their breaks differently. On Edmonton’s CKNO (Now 102.3), where the phone calls are the hit records, I’d never suggest that they be edited to fit over a song intro. And on Canadian radio in general these days, most breaks are standalone content breaks and take their pacing and feel from Now 102.3.
I waded into this topic knowing that talking intros/hitting posts/etc., can definitely come off as an old-school indulgence that the audience never asked for. But when we sterilized our hit music stations to sound more like the hype-free rock radio of the ’70s/early ’80s, that didn’t work so well either. The resurgence of Top 40 around the time of Mike Joseph’s “Hot Hits” on stations that sounded more like 1961 than 1981 pretty much ended that. (And if you believe as Mike Joseph did that everything should be backsold, leaving the intros of favorite songs alone, I can agree to that, too, because jocks still engage with the music.)
I’ve gotten one e-mail from a reader respectfully suggesting that attention to pacing is “rearranging the deck chairs.” I understand that, and can only say in return that sounding better is still better. Talking after the first note establishes crisply can’t by itself repatriate a generation of listeners or lure them through an 11-minute stopset. But instead of copying FM AOR, we have a lot of breaks now where somebody thoughtfully ponders what Ryan and Blake did yesterday in a very NPR/Ira Glass way and that’s not the magic bullet either.
I agree! You sound like an old fossil when you talk about the way Radio USED to sound exciting. So many stations played the same music…. But it was the jocks delivery that set them apart. Case in point, CKLW<WIXY, WGAR and WGCL all played basically, the same music.
Just like in a restaurant, you can get a burger anywhere, but why do you keep going back to the same place??? PRESENTATION!!!
Well stated!
I believe some of it is lack of training. Many of today’s PDs were not even in the business at the same time as those who COULD HAVE trained them on the reasons to pay attention to crafting a show. I call it taking “a craftsman approach.”
Watch video airchecks of some of the 80s jocks (even during partial-automation) plugging in CDs(not even records) and loading up spots on carts, and you’ll see what a show should really flow like. If it’s all on you, you do more. If not, you relax and let the robot run your show.
Today, especially with so much on PDs plates(multiple stations in-market, regional responsibilities, VT-ing OUT of market stations) it’s not surprising they tend to drag and drop breaks in automation. IF we could do shows live, in the studio and not be allowed to use automation I think our stations would sound more engaging and far less robotic. Plus the talent and PDs would be forced to produce their own shows instead of just letting the computer do it.
What makes a music personality and music station GREAT rather than OKAY?
The ability to develop your character, role definition and on-air persona, over time.
The ability to FEEL the mood of your market and transfer the mood to the spoken word. Listener eye contact. Having constant and compelling forward momentum and linear content development. Not being constrained by “never stopping the music” and having a full show of 8 second intro’s.
Unfortunately, you truly can’t develop those skills to an A+ level when you are having to do it for multiple stations across markets with completely different vibes and needs, 5 days a week. Instead of becoming a useful tool to help people not have to work on holidays, or maybe put a voice on the air where there was none, Voicetracking has become the gateway to boiler plate radio. Mediocrity personified. Just get it recorded and post it before the break airs, and move on to the next station’s tracking needs. And sure, there are some who do it really well, but most don’t. And that’s a major reason why music radio is where it is. Listeners aren’t dumb. They know when something isn’t live, real, and authentic. They know when it’s contrived. Radio personalities used to be instantly reachable and tangible. Not any more. I get a kick out of a tracked jock saying “Tell us what you think, hit me back on the WXXX app” while finalizing a break. Which is simply code for “We are likely never going to read what you send us and really just need to raise hit numbers on our app. Also, you will never hear your response and thoughts on-the-air as this was recorded yesterday and I’m not even in the studio anymore.” And listeners have figured it out and have moved into other areas of entertainment that deliver true instantaneous interaction where the listner or viewer feels heard and involved.
Podcasts work because the listener KNOWS it’s recorded and produced. There’s no “faux live.” Pre-recorded and produced Voicetracking that PRETENDS to be live isn’t cutting it. It’s faking it. It’s destroying it. “Crushing and rolling” an intro without the listener ever realizing your are doing it, is an art-form. It can’t be done on tape. There’s no pressure to get better whan you can hit STOP RECORDING and start over. But enough of this rant, I’ll hit your on your station app with the rest of my thoughts. I’m sure you are there in the studio waiting for them!
You can do both if you know how to tech and produce.
My VTs are carefully rechecked for timing . If there’s too much content, I can always cheat and steal 3 seconds by saying Something like “ CBS-FM a name you can trust”, then crash the song and go on to talk about Elon Musk to the vocal. It has just as much forward momentum.
Yeah, this is deep geekery even by the standards of the rest of the article, but there was always a way with crush-and-roll to acknowledge the earlier record if you had to–e.g., quickly and in a different tone of voice, then hit the new song and do the break as if you were just starting. That one is a definite lost art, as is having intro times on the spots.
I agree with you 100%, Sean. Alas, I’m no longer a live jock. I VT four syndicated shows daily without the option of “doing it live” like good ‘ole Bill O’Reilly. “Punch and run” is instantly out the window as we use old-school magic calls. Also, as great as our automation system is, my tracks often don’t play exactly where I recorded them. They can be a half second to a second early or late over the intro. I’ve always tried to carefully craft my breaks to the vibe and beat of the music. Unfortunately, when you’re at the mercy of technology, there’s a point when you simply have to step back, say “it’s out of my hands,” and not stress about things you cannot control. I so miss being live, but this is the new reality. Onward and upward…
A couple of thoughts: I once heard it said that a well designed format could make any jock sound good and that a great jock could make a format shine. Also, back in the day talking up intros and breaks was just one of the duties of an air talent. That individual also programmed music (on the fly following the format clock and associated rules). The board had to be engineered manually and transmitter readings taken regularly
One thing that changed radio for the worse, in my opinion, and that was when every element of an hour was pre-programmed in the automation clock.It’s good point was that every ran as planned, not subject to a part-timer who was on the phone constantly or daydreaming.
On the other hand in the pre-digital automation days, when you hired an air person, you taught them not only the where, what and how, but also explained the WHY of the station’s formatics .I truly believe understanding the reason we did something made for a much stronger air staff and better radio stations.