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Should Top 40 Play The ’80s? (Some College Stations Do)

Sean Rossby Sean Ross
March 13, 2024
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Z89 WJPZ Syracuse

I want Top 40 radio to be more aggressive on current music. But I’ve spent a lot of time listening to the college and high-school radio stations that play some version of Top 40. Now, I have a different question. Should Top 40 radio play the ’80s?

At least a few non-comm CHRs do play the ’80s. Ahead of speaking to student broadcasters and their advisors at the Intercollegiate Broadcasting System conference in New York last weekend, I’ve been listening to some of the most prominent high-school and college stations that do Mainstream or Adult Top 40 formats.

Those stations are a relative handful, but there are usually more of them than the industry is aware of. Syracuse’s WJPZ (Z89) is the best known, both for being in a rated market and because of scores of well-known alumni. Suburban Detroit’s school-district-operated WSDP (The Park) has prominent alums as well. (Another high school, Nashville-area Green Hills High, launched a new station, The Hill, in conjunction with Super HiFi’s AI-based programming tools and Xperi last week.)

I listened to those stations as well as Nassau Community College’s WHPC Long Island, N.Y., Ohlone College’s KOHL Fremont, Calif., in the Bay Area, and East Valley Institute of Technology’s KVIT (The Pulse) Phoenix.

Recently, I’ve wondered if non-comm CHR could have a greater role to play in today’s format. Potentially, it has a lower spotload, more musical freedom, as well as a social-media savvy staff who could have a better handle on what their peers are listening to.

We already know that some of what those peers are listening to includes older music. The Park has been playing 1-2 older gold titles an hour since its launch in the early ’10s. (Back then, the station’s Bill Keith says, the impetus was songs featured on Glee.)

The older titles on Z89 were outliers. PD Ilana Epstein says the station is, in fact, in the process of becoming more current. And I also came across a sequence of new songs by Justin Timberlake, Lil Durk, MGMT, and Hunxho. But it was interesting to encounter “Footloose” at all on the station (and later see “Making Flippy Floppy” by Talking Heads on Z89’s “Recently Played”).

In general, I’m reluctant to suggest that CHR become any more gold-based than it already is. The Top 40s of years past that played older gold were the ones most vulnerable to a competitor. Going heavy on late-’90s to early-’10s flashbacks haven’t done much to help the format’s fortunes. And I don’t need another place to hear “Livin’ on a Prayer.”

But are Classic Hits a place where radio could meet 19-year-olds where they live? Not every younger listener who likes oldies goes deep enough for Classic Hits or Classic Rock radio or wants to live there. Those songs, unlike the TikTok hits and other streaming phenomena that radio grapples with, also come with a built-in mother/daughter coalition.

Ross on Radio readers were able to name a dozen or so non-comm stations doing Mainstream or Adult Top 40 formats. My sense is there are probably considerably more, most of them little known to each other or the college-radio community. Not all have the oldies component. Here’s a sampling:

WJPZ (Z89), March 1, 10:45 a.m.:

  • Metro Boomin’ w/the Weeknd & 21 Savage, “Creepin’”
  • Drake, “The Motto”
  • Kenny Loggins, “Footloose”
  • Taylor Swift, “Is It Over Now?”
  • Tom Petty & the Heartbreakers, “Refugee”
  • Jack Harlow, “Lovin’ on Me”
  • Miley Cyrus, “Flowers”
  • Olivia Rodrigo, “Get Him Back”
  • Cranberries, “Linger”

And here’s another listen on the evening of March 4:

  • Doja Cat, “Vegas”
  • Dua Lipa, “Training Season”
  • Teddy Swims, “Lose Control”
  • Lauv, “I Like Me Better”
  • Sophie Ellis-Bextor, “Murder on the Dance Floor”
  • Harry Styles, “As It Was”
  • SZA, “Saturn”
  • Tate McRae, “Greedy”
  • Olivia Rodrigo, “Get Him Back”
  • The Weeknd, “Popular”
  • Billy Joel, “Turn the Lights Back On”
  • Taylor Swift, “Is It Over Now?”
  • Train, “Hey! Soul Sister”

88.1 The Park WSDP PlymouthWSDP (The Park), March 1, 1:15 p.m.:

  • Miley Cyrus, “Used to Be Young”
  • Go-Go’s, “We Got the Beat”
  • Lewis Capaldi, “Someone You Loved”
  • Taylor Swift, “Is It Over Now?”
  • DJ Snake f/Justin Bieber, “Let Me Love You”
  • Coldplay, “Clocks”
  • Phillip Phillips, “Love Like That”
  • Tate McRae, “Greedy”
  • Sam Smith, “Diamonds”
  • Rick Springfield, “Jessie’s Girl”
  • Alica Keys, Lifeline”

90.3 WHPC Garden CityWHPC, March 1, just before 10 a.m.:

  • Lil Nas X, “Montero (Call Me by Your Name)”
  • Kacey Musgraves, “A Deeper Well”
  • Noah Kahan, “Stick Season”
  • Tyla, “Water”
  • The Weeknd w/Jennie & Lily-Rose Depp, “One of the Girls”
  • Jonas Brothers & Bailey Zimmerman, “Strong Enough”
  • The 1975, “Somebody Else”
  • Jelly Roll & Lainey Wilson, “Save Me”
  • Harry Styles, “Music for a Sushi Restaurant”
  • Disclosure f/Sam Smith, “Latch”
  • Victoria Monet, “On My Mama”
  • Foster the People, “Sit Next to Me”

89.3 KOHL FremontKOHL, March 4, just before Noon:

  • Sia, “Unstoppable”
  • Ariana Grande, “Yes, And?”
  • Pharrell Williams, “Airplane Tickets”
  • Jennifer Lopez, “Can’t Get Enough”
  • Lizzo, “Special”
  • Sophie Ellis-Bextor, “Murder on the Dance Floor”
  • Tate McRae, “Exes”
  • Lady Gaga, “Bloody Mary”
  • The Anxiety, “Meet Me at Our Spot”
  • Harry Styles, “Late Night Talking”
  • The Weeknd w/Jennie & Lily-Rose Depp, “One of the Girls”

88.7 The Pulse KVIT Mesa Apache JunctionKVIT (88.7 the Pulse), March 1, Noon:

  • Zach Bryan & Kacey Musgraves, “I Remember Everything”
  • The Weeknd, “Starboy”
  • Sara Bareilles, “Love Song”
  • Taylor Swift, “Is It Over Now?”
  • O.A.R., “Shattered (Turn the Car Around)”
  • Juice WRLD, “Lucid Dreams”
  • Victoria Monet, “On My Mama”
  • MGK w/Blackbear, “My Ex’s Best Friend”
  • Future, “Mask Off”

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  1. Frank's avatar Frank says:
    2 years ago

    I think this idea could have some real legs. It’s not uncommon to see modern TV shows aimed at younger viewers using older songs. “Running Up That Hill” and “Master of Puppets” both had big bumps from Stranger Things. I was blown away when watching Secret Life of Pets 2 with my kids and they started playing White Rabbit.
    Additionally, Millennials and Gen Z grew up listening to their parents’ music just like I grew up listening to my parents’ music. To them, those songs have nostalgia. When I ran an Oldies station, I was always surprised by the listeners I would meet that were 20-30 years younger than my target demo. (and even more surprised that my teenaged kids knew the songs when I hadn’t played them much around the house).
    I’d love to see some commercial stations test mixing in 80’s songs.

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  2. Liz Janik's avatar Liz Janik says:
    2 years ago

    Sean – when I taught at Ryerson – the students were tasked with designing a radio station THEY would love. And using their research study on 18-27 year olds. Each year one team group presented a concept based on oldies, with an audio taste of what the station would sound like. . With fresh imaging and a vibe like CHR. I found that very intriguing,

    My fave new CHR concept from them was an international CHR – top hits from around the world. It would be the station of choice in every taxi in Toronto. Brilliant for the city.
    Much love – Liz????

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  3. Luc Anthony's avatar Luc Anthony says:
    2 years ago

    This reminds me of what happens when I have tour groups of teenagers coming by our building. I’ll ask them about stations in the market, and the one that usually has the most listeners is my Classic Hits station. Now, that could well be because they’re hearing the station in the car with their parents or from their bus driver, but it seems to have more fans than the CHR station in town. A lot of these Classic Hits songs, they know.

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  4. Brandon Charles's avatar Brandon Charles says:
    2 years ago

    Looking at these monitors, it personally seems a little less out of context on the hot adult top 40 leaning stations. So perhaps the better question is, should hot AC add some 80s titles back in instead of programming foolishly by a decade from 2000s onward. Funny thing is, it’s not such a strange concept, I’ve been listening to old KRBE air checks this week. They were playing brick house and pour some sugar on me in 1998, and then it didn’t seem out of context, and honestly those two examples still don’t sound like they would be out of context, which brings me to my point. I remember discussing this with Rob, current programmer at Candy 95 in Texas how it would be interesting to see a station actually go after the abandoned CHR audience in the mid 2000s that expected a very hot, upbeat presentation. it seems the problem is less creating something that doesn’t exist, and more fine-tuning something that exists for today’s generation, i.e. the AC and hot AC formats. Becky doesn’t exclusively work in an office cubicle and listen to easy music anymore. Honestly, some AC stations wouldn’t even have to change the rotations much, as much as a good rebrand or reimage. I love reading this article as I’m helping someone launch a new station soon with a younger leaning adult hits format. Speaking of noncom, a result of the LPFM window.

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  5. joebrowning's avatar joebrowning says:
    2 years ago

    The cyclical nature of pop music, which powers Contemporary Hit Radio (CHR), is well-known. There are periods when the connection with the audience intensifies, and currently, we find ourselves in a less vibrant phase of pop music. This lull is arguably contributing to the rising popularity of classic formats. Integrating carefully chosen classic hits (well-researched) could significantly enhance listener engagement during these slower periods. Moreover, there’s a noticeable positive response from audiences towards the freshness and unpredictability offered by “jack” formats. Incorporating tracks that embody these qualities could greatly benefit the format. Of course, the format could also benefit greatly from investing in local personalities who understand the fundamentals of leveraging good content on-air and digitally and managing forward momentum.

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  6. jaypea5000's avatar jaypea5000 says:
    2 years ago

    I grew up with Top 40 stations that featured gold in the mix. I also grew up with oldies stations that featured “future gold” in their mix. Of course, both formats staged the spins properly to make it special so as not to dilute the feel of the main format.

    I’m of the feeling that today’s CHR or Classic Hits stations might benefit from that kind of thinking. CHR’s target demo, especially, is really not even listening to much radio, instead opting for streaming/YouTube/TikTok/etc. So why not try to extend the upper demo a bit closer to those who are listening to radio?

    Classic Hits could do the same, perhaps in both directions. I think it’s worth a shot, especially at CHR, which has really nothing to lose at this point…

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  7. Charles's avatar Charles says:
    2 years ago

    I love 80s music but dont think a current based format like Top 40 should be playing music from 40 years ago.
    We’re in the year 2024. As I recall, there were no Top 40 stations back in 1984 playing from the 1940s, nor the 50s. Only the some of the AC stations back then would go back to the 50s.

    There were also no Top 40 stations in 1974 playing hits from the 1940s either.

    Lastly, there were no Top 40 stations in 1997 playing music from the 50s or 60s.

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    • Mike's avatar Mike says:
      1 year ago

      Yes, thank you! New music and new artist are already having a very difficult time breaking through into the mainstream nowadays. The rate has slowed down a lot in recent years. (Although this summer has been a little bit of a turn around) If Top 40 becomes basically an oldies station playing a lot of hits from 30-40 years ago half the time (they already play a lot of songs from 10-20 years ago), it’s gonna become even more challenging for new music to break out and become apart of pop culture. Since they’ll be giving even more airtime to old songs.
      I love 80s music too but does “Footloose” really need to be back on Top 40 rotation 40 years after it was already a hit? Like you said, imagine listening to a Top 40 station in the 80s and they were playing hits from the 40s every other song haha. (I get that 40s music is a completely different era but c’mon!)
      If radio is basically gone for new music, and no more MTV, really the only place left for new music to have any kind of chance of becoming apart of pop culture, it’s just really TikTok.
      I think we are going to see less and less new artist/songs actually becoming household names.

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