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How ‘Forever Young’ Lived Forever

Sean Rossby Sean Ross
December 3, 2024
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David Guetta Alphaville Ava Max Forever YoungIn March/April 1985, “Forever Young” by Alphaville spent four weeks on the Billboard chart. It peaked at No. 93. It was the follow-up to “Big in Japan,” an international hit that went to No. 8 in the UK, but only No. 66 here, although that song did become one of those records that some radio people remember fondly.

This week, on Coleman Insights’ Integr8USA national callout, a new version of “Forever Young” by David Guetta, Alphaville, and Ava Max debuted at No. 1 CHR. In previous weeks, Integr8’s published results have primarily confirmed the stasis of the present-day Top 40. No. 2 this week is still “Beautiful Things.” No. 3 is “A Bar Song (Tipsy).” Any new song with the ability to cut through immediately is certainly significant and welcome.

Over nearly 40 years, “Forever Young” has been the stealthiest stealth hit that ever stealthily became a hit. It has almost resurfaced on numerous occasions. At CHR this week, the Guetta remake is up No. 26-22. It’s not yet the biggest iteration of the song — that would be Jay-Z & Mr. Hudson’s 2010 interpolation, “Young Forever,” which got to No. 16 at CHR and top 10 on the Billboard Hot 100.

“Forever Young” was a hit right away for WPST Trenton, N.J., under PD Tom Taylor–in fact, the top song of 1985. While Top 40 WCAU didn’t play it as a current, WPST had enough influence on Philly radio that the song would end up in the libraries of WPLY (Y100), WYXR (Star 104.5), and, many years later, WOGL. Eventually, though, it would test in markets where it wasn’t played as a current.

“Forever Young” is a song that I’ve intersected with a few times in my career. In 1988, during a brief stint at Alternative WDRE Long Island (aka WLIR), in which my duties involved tabulating requests, I came to realize that it was one of many anthems in the format that barely existed outside the Modern Rock radio of the time. (“There Is a Light That Never Goes Out” by the Smiths was also huge on the phones, for instance.) 

A few months later, I was radio editor at Billboard. WDRE did a Memorial Day countdown, and the song was No. 1, as well as No. 3 on KITS (Live 105) San Francisco. I wrote about “Forever Young” (and some of the format’s other homegrown hits). In that time of “Red Red Wine” and other bringbacks, Atlantic reissued “Forever Young” with a quote from then KZZP Phoenix APD/MD Gene “Bean” Baxter, among others. This time it got to No. 65.

In Los Angeles, Mediabase shows spins for “Forever Young” on KYSR Los Angeles, now Alternative but then Modern AC, going back to 1998. In the mid-’00s, it became a secret weapon for KCBS (Jack FM) Los Angeles, as did a number of heritage records from Alternative KROQ. Like several of the KROQ songs that Jack cultivated, it now plays 9-10x a week on Classic Hits KRTH (K-Earth 101).   

In 2016-17 at Edison Research, I got a few AC and Classic Hits stations to test “Forever Young.” The first few times it came back playable, the PDs involved didn’t know the song and found it too odd to consider.  Often the discussions ended with, “Well, you can’t get hurt by what you don’t play.”

In one of those markets, “Forever Young” didn’t have any radio history, and I could only guess it was the combined impact of Jay-Z and the song’s appearance in “Napoleon Dynamite.” Eventually, though, WOGL Philadelphia decided to play it, in part because the station’s Bobby Smith remembered it as the last song at real high-school dances. 

“Forever Young” got 160 Mediabase spins last week — 47 of them from Classic Hits, 34 from Adult Hits, and 47 on SiriusXM’s TikTok Radio, following a recent resurgence on that platform. It does well in some markets that did not, to my knowledge, have a history with Alphaville as a current, but it hardly became a record that everybody plays. In Canada, “Forever Young” did make it to Top 40 CFTR Toronto. A dance version also became a late-’90s hit for the artist Temperance. There, the radio footprint is a little larger.

Besides its recent TikTok resurgence, “Forever Young” has kept popping up in different ways. It came up a few weeks ago in an article about the 100 lowest-charting songs of the ’80s. (That’s sort of a technicality; the number reflected only its first chart run.) It also showed early results in the new-release focus-group testing for Eric Norberg’s Adult Contemporary Music Research Letter, doing better sooner than other more established hits.

There have been a lot of Alternative radio records reissued over the years that didn’t make it a second time either. I’d love to still be having this discussion about Q-Feel’s “Dancing in Heaven (Orbital Be-Bop)” or “Crash” by the Primitives. Besides the resonance of the lyrics for many, I also think that “Forever Young” benefits from having both Depeche Mode and Abba in its DNA.

Like a lot of stealth hits, “Forever Young” also probably benefits from never having been overplayed as a current. It’s testing now for the reason that “Give a  Little Bit” by the Goo Goo Dolls tested right away — a combination of familiar, but not burnt, song and known artist. Because it has instant results at a time when nothing else does, it’s a rare song where callout, and thus radio, can lead streaming.

“Forever Young” endured in its odd way over 40 years also in part because it had radio champions, from WPST to all the Philadelphia radio people who kept it going even though it had not been a national hit. That’s something that might not happen in this era of less radio enterprise. It also showed how even pre-Nirvana Alternative radio had some influence over both the radio and cultural landscape. 

It’s also a good reason to never say never to any type of record. Two years ago, Guetta’s “I’m Good (Blue)” unleashed so many other interpolated and reworked hits that the formula quickly became wearisome. Except when it wasn’t. Now, I’m hoping that he does something with “Crash” or “Dancing in Heaven” next.

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  1. Mike's avatar Mike says:
    1 year ago

    And let’s not forget Laura Branigan’s ballad-y cover of the song from 1985, which wasn’t a single but maybe should’ve been.

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    • Sean Ross's avatar Sean Ross says:
      1 year ago

      She (or her A&R team) had the best ear for that kind of material, including “The Power Of Love” before Celine.

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  2. Mav3rick's avatar Mav3rick says:
    1 year ago

    Where I currently work, this David Guetta song plays often over the loud speakers. Each time, someone will say, “Why not just play the original? “
    Great question.

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    • Sean Ross's avatar Sean Ross says:
      1 year ago

      I like that this one has more of the bones of the original (including crediting them as an artist), but it would have worked even better *for me* as a straight cover.

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  3. Mark S.'s avatar Mark S. says:
    1 year ago

    Forever Young is a classic. There are several others from that era that should have been Top 40 hits. “In Between Days” The Cure. “Just Can’t Enough” Depeche Mode are just a couple of titles. I assume they were just too “quirky” for the time.

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    • Sean Ross's avatar Sean Ross says:
      1 year ago

      “Just Can’t Get Enough” became a stealth pop hit in a similar way in San Diego over the years. It’s definitely the most accessible Depeche Mode song. I don’t think it was too weird for CHR at the time as much as lost in the firehose of alt.pop crossing over.

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  4. Harmony Soleil's avatar Harmony Soleil says:
    1 year ago

    Firstly, as the MD as one of the only dance music radio stations in the country, I was really excited to see a dance track get a mention here! And secondly, “Forever Young” is such a jam and I do think that this new Guetta version is a pretty strong sample/interpolation. I especially love that the original artist is in the song and credited, which has not always happened historically in the format.

    I appreciate that you mentioned “I’m Good (Blue)” but this article does get me thinking about all the other great dance songs that have sampled/remade/whatever other classic tracks and the CHR side of radio barely bats an eye or gives a spin.

    Is it time to consider dance as a whole, especially someone as tried and true as Guetta, as more than just a novelty genre for pop, when they keep bringing out these classics? Plus, it is the skill of a good DJ to bring out old favorites so…there might be even more to come! Just something that I find interesting coming from that corner of the radio dial and industry!

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    • Sean Ross's avatar Sean Ross says:
      1 year ago

      There could definitely be more dance music on CHR now. Top 40 has been better in Europe through the early ’20s and dance is a big part of it. I always include some on the Big Hits Energy playlist. You definitely have a better take on this, but it feels to me that there aren’t a lot of records that split the difference between what Mainstream CHR could play and what works for a half-dozen more tightly focused Dance Radio reporters. But I always find a few anyway.

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  5. djservices01wv@gmail.com's avatar djservices01wv@gmail.com says:
    1 year ago

    Another anthem that has stubbornly hung on is “We Are Young” by fun. Ft Janelle Monae. Came out in 2012, so not nearly the longevity of “Forever Young” but the same sort of vibe for both beyond the obvious sharing of the word “young” in the song title.

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